AI Fit Check: Do You Have AI Flow or AI Fry?

AI is everywhere now, and brains are reacting in two very different ways.

Some of us open ChatGPT or Claude and feel like we just got a new teammate. Some of us open the same tool and feel a slow headache start. Same blinking cursor, completely different experience.

This week on Wired Together, we run an eight question AI Fit Check to help you figure out where you land. AI Flow, AI Fry, or somewhere in the mix. The honest part is that most people come out more mixed than they expect, and that is actually a good sign.

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Transcript

Melanie 0:05

Welcome back to Wired Together with your host Melanie Winter and Jason Winter. And uh for this episode, what we're gonna talk about is um kind of an AI fit check.

Jason 0:19

That sounds fun.

Melanie 0:20

Um in the sh very shifting world of AI, um some of us are getting a bit overwhelmed and discouraged. Uh it's very fast-paced, very nonlinear, very scattered. And so um we're gonna talk about the the AI flow versus AI fry.

Jason 0:46

So some are flowing, some are kind of feeling fraught by it.

Melanie 0:49

Right. It's it's very overwhelming um for some of us who kind of like to think one thing at a time and and step by step, uh a little more in the method of things, and then um the kind of bounce around scatter um is is actually taking on AI in kind of a brand new um what do you think?

Jason 1:13

What's this platform? It's it's what's becoming the oh my god, that's how I think almost becomes a justification, I guess, or kind of like finally this tool is uh matching my speed or matching me where I am. Right. So but yeah, it's now with like Chat GPT and and Claude really coming out of the gate with what it can do, we kind of have like these software programs that can do so much. Now we were used to AI coming about in kind of minor ways over the years.

Melanie 1:48

We're not gonna say used to. We didn't realize it was AI. You know, I mean it was it's we realize it now. Right.

Jason 1:56

Um the frog in boiling water.

Melanie 1:58

More or less.

Jason 1:58

It kind of so I mean we had like Clippy back in Microsoft in the little clippy with the little paper clip dude. He was adorable. Now I hated him because he got in my way when I was trying to do something. Right. But and you know, you start typing something, it's like, you know, dear John, it's like, hey, look, we got templates of help with your letter. And like when you weren't paying attention, it was there in the corner and like knock on the monitor screen and things like that.

Melanie 2:22

And it was like it was annoying. Right.

Jason 2:24

It was like, dude, I'm trying to, you know, do this homework assignment. I don't need to write my letters. And and you know, beyond that, and we had you know the iPhone and other um like Samsung and everything coming out with autocomplete and even predictive typing where you start typing something and it tries to finish your sentence for you, which was as bothersome as it was helpful at times.

Melanie 2:48

I know sometimes you're like the sentence was simple.

Jason 2:50

Right. And you know, sometimes like, yeah, I guess that's what I'm saying. You would you would click on it, but um Gmail brought that in too with when you get an email and you go to reply and it's like sounds good, thank you. Or um, you know, that that's a great idea. We'll we'll connect later.

Melanie 3:07

I absolutely want to reply like a robot.

Jason 3:10

It's like wow, that sounds so okay.

Melanie 3:12

But maybe you want to add a little extra you know, personality.

Jason 3:15

You know, like how's your mama then? Right. A little stuff in it, you know.

Melanie 3:20

Like I'm from South South Just do that. Right. So it has to be a little more, a little more touch to it.

Jason 3:26

Right. So I mean, those little bits came about, but like I like we've said, with AI and how it is now, I swear it's a flip was switched. Yeah.

Melanie 3:39

Either way, a switch was flipped, a switch was flipped, and then all of a sudden it just seemed like AI um was all over the place. Was more of a bombardment. It was it was not a um, it was in there, but kind of somewhat of an annoyance, like clippy, or okay, this is helpful kind of uh autocorrect, yeah, very helpful. I can't spell work with worth a lick, so that is fine.

Jason 4:04

But it did become a tool without direction. There was no user manual.

Melanie 4:08

Auto sentences are like you don't even have a clue what I'm talking about. Um, so that was kind of a little more going into nuisance versus um helpful. And of course, now we've gotten into a whole lot more robust version.

Jason 4:22

Oh, yeah.

Melanie 4:23

Um, and so we are getting um reading some articles and things like that. Uh a lot of what's being placed into kind of social media um understandings of AI is now the AI headache or the AI um exhaustion.

Jason 4:39

Yeah.

Melanie 4:40

Um that again not all brains think alike. And so we've been talking about that for several parts of our series of you know, some of us are gonna be again the nonlinear and uh flow chart, fast pace. Um I can think here, here, and here. Um, and and some of us kind of like that more. Um, can I just start and finish something within that same time period? And so um that kind of method way of thinking is um uh probably a little more my speed, but um it's it can be daunting.

Jason 5:17

Yeah.

Melanie 5:18

And I would just rather kind of do things myself.

Jason 5:20

Yeah. And and just so the folks know, we're you know, we're gonna talk about this for a little bit, but then we're gonna Miles is gonna come back and visit. We're gonna bring Miles on to um kind of do like a little eight question quiz so that you can kind of figure out where you fall in that. So that's where we're leading to. So, but um, but yeah, I mean, as far as you know, AI is different in how when it presents it as a program, you have that blinking cursor moment, and again, there's really no direction, and it's kind of like if you know what you want, you know, or you can explore, you know, a lot of people are approaching it differently, and it kind of um, as you said, creating a headache for some where it's overwhelming.

Melanie 6:11

The the way of thinking where you can kind of quickly jump between ideas, um, where you kind of really enjoy that exploration, um jumping through ideas based on kind of like oh, I see that now, so I need to go to over here.

Jason 6:31

Um it's like a side quest of a side quest of a side quest.

Melanie 6:36

And and a little bit more tolerant of the unfinished thought. So um if you've ever um had a conversation with with maybe a a more scattered or more um, you know, multifunctional brain, if you will, um a lot of times you will kind of have a thought over here and then over here, and then you kind of not really finished, and then the thought moves over. Um, where the the linear brain does have a tendency more to go in. Um, I need to go ahead and set this up. I need the finished thought, I need the finished product. Um, I need to kind of not jump around but just just go ahead and get done the the the task at hand, if you will. You kind of like reach a sense of completion or right, reach a sense of completion so that I feel like I've done the job that I was supposed to do for the day.

Jason 7:31

Right.

Melanie 7:32

Um, it does get a little uh I I see the whole concept of the AI headache where it's um maybe for for those of us who would like to just kind of complete something or just um want to just ask a question and not really be bombarded with a whole lot of an answer, but just one answer. Um that it it does get a bit um done.

Jason 7:59

Yeah.

Melanie 8:00

And so nine times out of ten, I just um avoid it. So I I like things that have that clear starting point, you know, that is um gonna kind of move us into what the completed version of something is. I I'm fine if it's different, but I need it to be done.

Jason 8:28

Right. But sometimes when you just openly ask something, I mean, you know how AI will do. It would be like, oh, great point. It's really interesting. Well, we got this over here, we got this over here, and it's like, look, I'm I'm just looking for a green pepper. I don't need to know, you know, the the entire, you know, what organic line is over here.

Melanie 8:45

Right, it's like looking at the recipe when it's like this whole thing about you know your life story, and it's like, I don't care about your life story, I really need to know how many eggs are in this recipe.

Jason 8:55

Right.

Melanie 8:55

I guess depending it on 400 or 450.

Jason 8:58

Right.

Melanie 8:58

You know, that's it's like I need a very specific detail. I really don't need everything else. And um, I do I do see um as far as my side of things where the the whole AI um overwhelm is is an easy thing to to start being at least discussed in in business world and um obviously the tech world, um and and a lot of things that is just kind of uh AI has been just integrating in so many parts of of even consumership and things like that where it gets a bit overwhelming. It's like I really just want the one. Um I'm also the kind of person though, so I get my own fallacy of this. Um I I can't stand the shampoo aisle, you know.

Jason 9:50

Too many choices.

Melanie 9:51

It's like just just give me a shampoo. I mean, just you know, I just need like one.

Jason 9:56

I I we got 45 options now.

Melanie 9:59

Now they're all these different prices. I don't even know if these prices matter. I do know it's like I don't know what my hair is, just I just want it clean.

Jason 10:08

Right, exactly. So I mean it and it's worthy to discuss because again, the technology seems to have come about very quickly and it it's worth understanding, okay. If we have people that prefer one versus another, yes, of course, maybe you talk to the AI and say, This is what I prefer, I get the training, but sometimes if it's a tool, should it you know, be able to be I I guess split into almost like different categories or tiers of okay, if I'm gonna approach you for something specific, don't get into all the other extraneous pieces. This is gonna be an explore day. And this is what I'm gonna do. So maybe, you know, given that maybe the the software can meet you where you want to be. Right.

Melanie 11:00

Well, we we discussed that quite a bit on um prompt writing's important. Um so for me, my prompt writing is gonna be very different than yours because I want a different outcome. Um, where your prompt writing has um I guess more obviously more understanding of the of the the tech world, so very multidimensional. Um you're fine when something goes a bit more way outside the box than what you were kind of uh anticipating.

Jason 11:30

Right.

Melanie 11:30

I mean um my prompt writing does have to kind of have some parameters that I was taught how to do. Um so that it's it's not so far out of where I need to be, because I would rather just kind of go ahead and get it get an answer, something very clear-cut. Um that and and and of course we do we have different reasons for what we're sure accessing as well. So you know it's not um not we don't really use it the same either.

Jason 12:00

Well, and I think you may have hit on what could also be a challenge of that. If we're using the same engine, if you will, it would think we're the same person in just approaching it. So it learns based on how you use it.

Melanie 12:16

Right.

Jason 12:16

So it's really meeting us in the middle, and um it may because of that, like if if we had our own account, it may learn that user specifically after you fussed at it enough. Right, you know, it's like look, dude, I don't, you know, don't send me over there. I just want straight up, real quick, brief, bam, give it to me. Right. Versus, all right, I'm exploring this big concept, let me hear this and this and it. So, you know, it might be it might be different if it were, you know, such. But yeah. So we're constantly kind of like, hey, look, I want this, and then like later it's like, oh man, I figured you wanted that, but no, you know. Right. So there could be something going on there with the algorithm.

Melanie 12:59

But well, and we even still evolved from using two different tools, too. So we're um I'm kind of still more tried and true, and and you've moved on to a lot uh bigger buffer functioning. So um, you know, we're kind of not really doing that. We've pulled apart a lot in in our AI usage, right? Um, which is the the actual conversational AI, not um obviously not the the other different forms of them.

Jason 13:33

Well, I I yeah, and I think you know, I I know you've been using uh, you know, uh miles a lot.

Melanie 13:40

I do more chat, right? And um again, I like something a little more straightforward.

Jason 13:45

Sure. And with some of the projects that I've gotten involved with.

Melanie 13:49

And then nine times out of ten I'm paying no attention to it. Right, it was like that helped me start my brain rolling. Right, but now I'm gonna use none of it.

Jason 14:01

Right. It's like that's enough of a conversation, but I'm gonna go with what I thought.

Melanie 14:05

And I don't like any of it.

Jason 14:06

It's like sometimes, yeah.

Melanie 14:08

No, I'm I uh I I usually just end up writing my own stuff. Um but it it does help kind of like okay, well, it's out, so now I'm writing something based on the fact that I pulled something out enough to be in the process of it. Right.

Jason 14:23

It I mean it becomes a sounding board at that point in time, which is a tool and a strategy within itself.

Melanie 14:29

So it does help because um, you know, don't always have somebody to use as a sounding board for what I'm gonna write when you're deep into something else.

Jason 14:39

Right. And um obviously Claude and some of its, you know, you know what familiar and exploring all that with the the co-work and coding abilities.

Melanie 14:52

Yeah, he's definitely more robust, and so um you're definitely kind of putting more um it is something you kind of explore because you kind of let him do more of um well you you're kind of building software, if you will, in in a matter of speaking, you know.

Jason 15:11

And it's um whereas ChatGPT, which I know is getting better day by day, is still the one I'll go to if I just need, hey, look, I'm seeing this, what's the train of thought, or what what what are the what are the three things I should be considering that I'm you know can't think of at the moment? And it's like, oh bam, bam, bam. So it it is built for more of a uh directional thought. I mean it no, it can go as deep as you want, but Claude just seems to take that uh liberty without you asking sometimes.

Melanie 15:43

So yeah, it it it's definitely a little more multi-dimensional, and um to me it's kind of right. It it does it's not a good starter, which is what I'm kind of looking for, is just somebody to bounce off ideas until I start writing myself.

Jason 16:01

I mean, i i if I have a stake that's two inches and my girl is at 450, and I just want to kind of double check, okay, about how many minutes aside, I'm gonna ask ChatGPT. Yeah. If I ask Claude, I think I'm gonna get a story about a steak and everything else. Right. You know, and it's just that you know, I mean, Claude would do a fine job. Right. Yeah, it's like, dude, you can do that? Yeah, just install what? Okay, yeah. Steak flipper, here we go, huh's off. But yeah, I mean it and and that that's about I mean, you gotta know your droid. You gotta you kinda get used to them and all, and um, you figure out what works and why. But you know, it it it's funny because any of these tools can make anyone feel like that, you know, they have ADHD. And we've heard that before with technology in the past. Right. I mean, video games and whatever else.

Melanie 16:51

Video games call it ADHD. Does the phone call the ADHD?

Jason 16:55

Does the any anything that could be stimulating is that bad for your brain?

Melanie 16:59

Yes, it is is stimulation bad for your brain. It's like, well, I mean, there is um there's some study on that. Yeah, but I I will also say that there's kind of um two different sides of that one, whereas it is this the cause. I don't think necessarily. Um obviously 80 AI did not exist at some point in uh say back in the 80s with Mario or whatever. You're struggling with um maybe a very bouncy way of thinking. Um so you know, it technically we didn't have the same structure at the time. And if you want to go even further back, there uh are plenty of people I know um born in the 50s who wouldn't even even been born with a television. Um you know, yes, it was part of some households, but it really didn't start getting into every single household until later. And so no, I I don't think it's screen time that causes ADHD. I don't think it's um I I again there may be a role to be played because it's allowed to be.

Jason 18:17

Right.

Melanie 18:18

Well But is that role specifically technology's fault? Um I mean I I I've met too many people in too many different um age groups that no. I can pretty clearly say that's not exact.

Jason 18:35

And I again is it causation or is it propensity? And you know, traditionally people with ADHD they think, oh, they can't focus. Well, no, they can hyperfocus just as well. Right.

Melanie 18:48

So is the person that's playing a video game a multidimensional way of thinking. So I like this and this and this and this, and I like them all at the same time.

Jason 18:55

Sure, yeah. But someone that may be immersed into a video game, you might think, oh, it's you know, it's causing them ADHD. Well, maybe their ADHD is causing them to be immersed in it because they're, you know, the stimuli is such that they um want to accomplish whatever and are thinking through all that.

Melanie 19:12

Well, in the emergence of of video games in the 80s, you know, uh there were some that were interested and some that weren't.

Jason 19:18

Exactly.

Melanie 19:19

You know, and so you could kind of say, well, it if it was everybody, then there would be a control. But some weren't interested at all.

Jason 19:31

But again, ADHD became diagnosed a lot more in the same time frame that technology was entering the household. So, you know, uh it's uh hard to make a parallel there, you know.

Melanie 19:45

Yes, but the the high propensity for diagnostics was, I mean, yes, we've gotten bigger as we've gone. Um, but you know, big concept in the 80s, yeah. Um into the early 90s definitely was really rolling at that time period. And then of course we have increased. Um now mostly is is how do we how do we work with this in the school system?

Jason 20:13

Right, sure.

Melanie 20:14

Um and is the technology making it worse or is that the answer?

Jason 20:27

Well, I mean, I I have seen a lot of writings where you know, because the language learning models with AI are are such that you can write something that is quite imperfect and it's able to parse and figure out, okay, this is what you're getting at. It's like, oh my gosh, thank gosh, some you know, understood where I'm coming from. Right. So to some there is a relief that I don't need to make sure that my punctuation is completely right, that the word is spelled completely right, that it can figure it out. Right. So the things in my past where it would be like, oh, but that's not right, that's not right, and I don't, you know, I can have a little bit more liberties and freedoms with, and it's gonna get me. So the technology I think maybe let's just say people with ADHD might gravitate toward it a little bit more strongly because of that. Um I mean the technology's reached a certain level there where it's forgiveness of forgiveness. It wow, okay. I I can be me. Right. And and I don't need to follow a certain programmatically grammatical rules in order to be understood, you know.

Melanie 21:40

Right. I mean, well d in in teaching the children, you know, writing, a lot of times what we um ended up using is is some of the things we learned for ourselves was just do.

Jason 21:52

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Melanie 21:53

Get the idea.

Jason 21:54

Mm-hmm.

Melanie 21:55

Just put it down on paper. I don't care if it's a pen or pen and paper or if it's um Um, you know, something you type, or for one of our children, just something you speak into the computer with.

Jason 22:05

Yeah, exactly.

Melanie 22:06

Um, it doesn't matter. It's gonna look like gobbledygook.

Jason 22:10

But the idea is But you got something to work with then, right?

Melanie 22:13

And so um it's it's fine, you know, don't sit there and worry about the grammatically correct part. Get all of the idea in the into the um the page. Yeah, and then we'll go through we got something to work with. You know, we can correct everything from there. So this doesn't look like sentences, now we can make it look like sentences, right? You know, that kind of thing. So it at least allows some sort of um forgiveness, yeah. In that um, and so both of them learned writing that way, so both of them actually write um pretty well.

Jason 22:49

Yeah.

Melanie 22:50

Because they're not actually having to think about every single piece of grammar or every single spacing or all of that. They they threw that out the window and decided to do it later. That's a big thing. Because we kind of taught them that that's the only way to write.

Jason 23:05

That's the biggest hiccup with uh writer's block, you know. Right. You know, it's why free writing is so important. So when you add technology, if you can feel free with it, be it speaking it out loud or just going ahead and you know, type it out and then then go back and look at it and go, uh, yep, that's definitely a run-on. What I meant to say was this, and you fix it and you put it together. You're building it still.

Melanie 23:24

I we didn't have speech detects when I was writing, but um, and and I felt like my fingers were never quick enough. I wanted something down, and my fingers be my my kind of in the way.

Jason 23:37

And if you can speak at 150 words a minute, imagine typing 150 words a minute.

Melanie 23:42

I've used speech to text now, and it's like, oh wow, that's a whole lot. Um it's a lot faster. Of course, it comes out, you know like what? Something that needs to be fixed.

Jason 23:52

The biggest run-on you've ever done.

Melanie 23:54

The biggest run-on sentence ever.

Jason 23:55

It comes out like a Hemingway paragraph, which is still one sentence.

Melanie 24:00

But you know, it's like, well, I know exactly what to fix once I've done it, but at least it was is it's on paper.

Jason 24:07

Well, the problem there is if you're holding up your process in order to get it down, then you're holding up your thought, and then where was I getting it? Yeah. You know, and that that's this is where technology connects. Right, it's like, okay, now that I got that word spelling. Because uh the proverbial roller hitting your hand while you're typing it, and then you go, okay, I know no, it's I mean, autograph is this word.

Melanie 24:30

It it came in. Um we were in I guess high school.

Jason 24:34

It was more not later, but yeah. I mean, I've got or college. Okay, no, yeah, you could check in in your tools. It could, you know, fix it. I think there was there was a little kind of that there was a spelling and grammar tool built in, yes, in that time, yeah.

Melanie 24:47

But it was but yeah, a little bigger um in when you got we got to college. And then um, of course, grammarly didn't, you know, that kind of grammarly didn't exist until you know, put it all in and kind of fix the whole thing didn't exist until um you know we were much older.

Jason 25:03

I might have been in grad school.

Melanie 25:04

I mean, I don't yeah, uh so um so for the most part there was kind of those stumbling blocks as you were trying to get something on paper and that kind of thing. Um where a lot of things were just kind of in the way of I just need it down.

Jason 25:21

Yeah.

Melanie 25:22

And and so learning that process of going ahead and getting it down and fixing it later, even if it was um, I mean, I thought autocorrect was the coolest thing in the beginning because you know, I couldn't spell with a lick anyway.

Jason 25:36

It's like right-click right now, the red squigglies.

Melanie 25:39

Right. Um, I hate it with text. I really like it with um, you know, mm-hmm Traditional word processing Yeah, traditional word processing. Um text, it autocorrect is usually like, what are you talking about?

Jason 25:51

Like it's like, do you not know that word? Why'd you make me look stupid? Right or you go to hit send right when it doesn't, it changes it right then. It's like, oh no, it looked like a doofus. Right. But so no, it's it's funny. The um all the the problems with technology that we all share in that even though it's trying to progress to being something better. Yeah. So I guess we've seen a lot of changes in that, and um so what does this mean for like I guess AI? And you know, we've talked about a lot of tools and things.

Melanie 26:29

The uh is the problem AI or is it a problem just in how I guess we need to understand it and where we're coming at with it or Yeah, I think it's one of those things where um no matter where you're coming at it with, um understanding self as again, you're the human.

Jason 26:50

Yeah, that's right.

Melanie 26:52

Um if you understand how you learn and you understand self, um you're probably gonna be it it's gonna benefit you more when you get to that point of of okay, how do I learn? Yeah, and what do I actually need from this uh product as opposed to um forcing in yourself in a box or forcing the product in a box, um maybe we need to kind of you know adjust based on what exactly we're coming at it with. So um again, you and I can't use it the same.

Jason 27:33

No, probably not.

Melanie 27:34

And we're probably, you know, being only two people in the whole, you know, the whole the whole out there.

Jason 27:41

Right, right.

Melanie 27:42

Um, you know, exactly more than likely there's we're not unique here.

Jason 27:46

Yeah, we're not unique in the fact that none of us actually are many a meas and many e's out there and you know, either working together.

Melanie 27:53

You know, reading about the the AI headache or the AI exhaustion uh really made sense.

Jason 27:59

Yeah.

Melanie 28:00

Um, you know, so especially again with with a linear thought process of not really being able to, you know, run around with a hammer busting it all up. I just kind of really need um a a bit more of a process to it.

Jason 28:15

So I think no matter who you are, you kind of need strategies because right, well, yes, the I know the AI exhaustion to one can be I'm trying to ask this, I'm trying to accomplish this, but now I got this, this, and this, and this now I'm you know being offered to me. But also when you start going into the explore the world, open world concept kind of I mean, just like last night, I was asking about something, and then I thought about something else, and I thought about something else. If I put the whole conversation together, I probably have a 45-page paper I've just created that now I need to read over and now condense and figure out where am I gonna go from here. So the exhaustion can actually go both ways.

Melanie 28:55

Right.

Jason 28:56

And so now I'm exhausted to get back to that when with the ADHD and everything. That's kind of like when am I gonna do that? You know, now it's like now I've got a big project I need to get back to, and you know when there's a big looming thing, uh, I'll do that no more. Right. So it strategies are helpful so that then you have a way to make it effective. That way you don't accidentally approach it in a way that it's unproductive. Right.

Melanie 29:22

So well, I guess if you if you consider like um considered it as a math problem. Okay, you know, I want to throw something in there and get the direct answer.

Jason 29:33

Yeah, I want negative three. I mean, if it is, just tell me. Yeah, like just tell me the actual answer.

Melanie 29:37

And of course, a lot of times it that's not actually the case. And so you know, you get your whole history of your grandma, and um about your grandma. Is it two eggs or right? And it's like I just wanted the answer. Um, please, my god, just give me the answer. Right. Um so this so you do kind of get into that uh where now you have so much to leaf through.

Jason 30:04

True.

Melanie 30:05

That um what do you do with all of that? And so then how do you condense that? How do you put it into and so uh uh we're we're gonna come up with um maybe a couple of strategies maybe with AI and see see where we are.

Jason 30:21

Right, sure. So I mean, um I mean if you want to look at it linear linearly, obviously, and this does come with a little upfront work of being very specific, I guess, in what you're asking for. And um you know, and not like you were talking about, give me different options and all that. Um or maybe approach it with a sense of a okay, give me steps toward this goal, make your goal kind of clear in mind.

Melanie 30:53

Oh but um that would probably help a lot more. Yeah. I need, you know, okay, if I need to go here, because usually I know the end.

Jason 31:03

Right.

Melanie 31:03

It's the middle I'm having the problem with.

Jason 31:05

Right. It's like, here's the goal, here's kind of what I want. What steps can help me? I already know what it needs to sound like. Right. Yeah.

Melanie 31:12

I just need it to get me over the hump to either write it myself or, you know, or whatever it is I'm doing. I need I need it to eventually get to where I already know it needs me.

Jason 31:24

Right, because again, you're the human. Right. You know, you know, I know the outcome. You know the result that you're but you don't know exactly what it looks like, but you you know, you know, if I handle it to you, you went, no, it's not it. No, not it. Yes.

Melanie 31:38

That you know that is typically how I do it.

Jason 31:40

The other thing, the other thing with AI, and I'm sure this happens to both of us, you're in a session, you've now spent 12 minutes, and you're getting nowhere. Yes. Okay, it's like, look, I just need to Okay, so is it the second gas station? But why are you telling sending me down this route? You know, see there are times you just have to say, okay, forget everything we've just talked about and pretend my next statement is the beginning of this conversation. And sometimes you gotta do that because it's taking on it's like it's cached too much memory that it cannot think uniquely again. So sometimes you need to know when to abandon ship.

Melanie 32:17

Ooh. And go when to abandon ship. That's a that's an excellent point.

Jason 32:22

I mean, but unfortunately, I'm 40 minutes in before I do this. Well, yeah, it is very important. Because I still see nuggets that are there and I don't want to lose it.

Melanie 32:29

Right.

Jason 32:29

So, but anyway, but then you know, you kind of have to go, all right, look, forget all this. Thank you so much. Now it's crap. And look, I and this is just my own thing. Be kind to it because I don't know what these things are capable of. Um be kind to it because it might go in and erase your computer. So anyway, no, I'm just kidding. No, no, but honestly, I mean, you know, but just just tell it. I mean, I'm joking, but maybe I'm not. I don't know. I don't know. So be kind to it. Just like, look, thank you so much. You're trying so hard. We're not getting anywhere. But we need to rewind. I'm going to tell you something. Forget everything we've talked about and open a new chat session, do whatever you need to, and just try to hit it maybe a more specific prompt. Okay. Whatever mistake.

Melanie 33:09

Everything in technology. If you keep hitting a wall, restart.

Jason 33:14

Yes. Pretty much restart the computer. You're right.

Melanie 33:20

Which actually makes sense as far as every single other thing in technology.

Jason 33:23

Like I talked about the whole cache and all that and how it's like sometimes.

Melanie 33:26

Did you restart it?

Jason 33:27

And it's like, how'd you fix it? I was like, I reminded it of what it was supposed to do in the first place. Which means pull it away, bring it back in the room, and go, oh yeah, here, you know.

Melanie 33:36

Oh, I'm in this room.

Jason 33:37

I'm in this room. It's like, oh god, you didn't know there for 20 minutes, but yeah, I'm glad you're back. And we're back. So yeah.

Melanie 33:42

Well, in a parenting style, that actually makes a lot of sense. Um if anybody's ever had a toddler, you know.

Jason 33:50

What do we go to this?

Melanie 33:51

Well, you get to this point of the get the can't help it and they cannot move forward. They are they are crumbling on the floor, they are having their fit.

Jason 33:59

You want to go to the car?

Melanie 34:01

I know, and and and so you've got to pretty much step in and make them forget that all of this happened to begin with.

Jason 34:10

Yeah, it's true. Because you got guilt and you got all this kind of stuff.

Melanie 34:13

They're very much like a computer in a way. You it's you just unplug them. It's compounded, and now it's guilt, now I need a safe face, and now I'm And then you start talking about something that has nothing to do with what they're upset about. And that always works. It triggers, it snaps them back. I don't know if it was our kids or um, you know, if that's common for everybody, but it always worked. If you started in on something that had nothing to do with the tantrum, click it would click them. Yeah, and then all of a sudden they're so much more interested in that they forgot.

Jason 34:46

Kind of reminds me of me confusing the computer to fix it one time.

Melanie 34:50

Well, and and and Yeah, no, you're right.

Jason 34:52

Yeah.

Melanie 34:52

And I don't mean to compare our toddlers to to computers, but you know, there are there was often the same strategy that it's still a flow that needs to be interrupted. Sometimes they need to unplug that.

Jason 35:04

It's still a flow you need to interrupt.

Melanie 35:06

I mean, and you know, uh And then they've they kind of lost steam and they're confused. And if you can confuse them enough, they kind of go back into Right. Because what's the next I'm what's the next natural statement?

Jason 35:17

I've lost me. I don't even know now what's it.

Melanie 35:20

That's my mojo, right?

Jason 35:21

Exactly, you're right.

Melanie 35:22

I forgot the cup and what color it was, and and and now I'm just eating.

Jason 35:26

I don't care what color it is. I'm thirsty now because I've been crying so long.

Melanie 35:29

Right.

Jason 35:30

You know, no, you're right.

Melanie 35:32

Um but I mean it sounds spoken a wheel, I guess.

Jason 35:35

Yeah, exactly. But I mean, I guess above all, and with any of these tools, like anything, you you do kind of want to set some type of limit. If you're getting in too deep and the unplugging and replugging. And you right, exactly. You you get your mental health's important in this, and some you know, you need to take a break and just get up, walk around. You know, don't don't keep going because just like you know, writing anything, doing any task that you're frustrated with, sometimes, oh, what do I do? You walk away, you come back, you sit down, you go, shoot, I've been doing this this whole time. I knew that this is what I was supposed to do.

Melanie 36:11

And you know, now you're saying unplug self.

Jason 36:13

Yeah, not on the computer, unplug you. Yep. Yep.

Melanie 36:17

Pretty much everything can be solved with an unplug and a plug-in.

Jason 36:20

I guess so. That's great.

Melanie 36:21

And that's um I mean, you're welcome. There you go. We have solved all world's problems with unplug and plug-in.

Jason 36:28

I mean, and and you might solve your problem if you just unplug this podcast right now.

Melanie 36:34

Plug it back in.

Jason 36:35

No, it's fine, right?

Melanie 36:36

We're gonna be far more interesting next time.

Jason 36:37

Right, exactly. So, no, but yeah, so I mean, I I guess those those are some of the the tools and strategies that I think would um be helpful that I know we've kind of talked about, and um, some came about just through the myths of talking about it. And um, but yeah, um obviously everyone is gonna use it differently. And you know.

Melanie 36:57

And it's okay if some of us find it draining.

Jason 36:59

Oh yeah, no, definitely. Yeah. Because it is a little bit. Yeah, definitely. It it really, really can be. So I guess maybe we should bring Miles in.

Melanie 37:11

All right.

Jason 37:12

And um Miles is gonna ask us Miles is gonna help us take a test.

Melanie 37:17

Um if anybody remembers like the the great old uh like magazine test where if you like um what kind of potato you are?

Jason 37:26

No, I'm kidding.

Melanie 37:27

No, if you answer, you know, all A's or all B's or that kind of thing. Right. Um so it's gonna be kind of that style. So we're all gonna take a test. Um you can join in and um it is gonna be about AI flow or AI fry. Which one of us um we're gonna take it? Where are you leaning? No. Where do you lean? Um, and then you can take it as well at home and you know, kind of see, oh, I I do feel more that or more that when I come when it comes to working with AI.

Jason 37:57

Right. Are we gonna talk about our answers in between each one or just at the end?

Melanie 38:00

No, at the end.

Jason 38:01

At the end. Okay. All right, sounds good. All right, let's bring Miles into the equation here. So Alright, hey Miles. Let's play AI flow or AI fry. Can you give us the first question, please?

Miles 38:16

All right. First question for AI flow or AI Fry. When you open an AI tool, what's your first instinct? A, let me explore and see where this goes. Or B, I need to know exactly what to ask, or I feel stuck.

Jason 38:33

All right, give us the next one.

Miles 38:36

All right, next one. How do you feel when the AI gives you multiple options? A. Great. More directions to play with. Or B, too many choices. Now I don't know what to pick.

Jason 38:52

All right, Miles, give us the next one.

Miles 38:55

Here we go. Next one. When the AI explains something in detail, do you prefer A? Give me all the context. I want the full picture. Or B, keep it brief, just the key points, or I'll do now.

Jason 39:13

All right, move on to number four.

Miles 39:16

All right, number four. When an AI makes a mistake, do you laugh it off and keep experimenting? Or B, get frustrated and want it to be more reliable.

Jason 39:38

Number five.

Miles 39:41

Number five, coming right up. When AI suggests creative ideas, do you lean toward A? Let's go wild and try something new. Or B, I'd rather just take with trying to true ideas that I know will work. Here's the next one. When you use AI tools for work, do you A integrate it fully into my process? It's a partner. Or B use it only occasionally or when I'm stuck.

Jason 40:16

Alright. Next one.

Miles 40:19

All right, the next one. When it comes to AI learning about you over time, do you A I love it when it remembers me and adapts? Or B, I prefer a fresh start every time.

Jason 40:34

Okay, I think we got one more.

Miles 40:37

You got it. Last one. When AI surprises you with something unexpected, do you A enjoy the novelty and keeps things interesting? Or B I rather interject to what I expect. No surprises.

Jason 40:59

And we're gonna um go ahead and and discuss this. Alright, so a lot of different questions there.

Melanie 41:10

Right?

Jason 41:11

Kind of interesting to see what he actually put together there.

Melanie 41:15

I didn't see your writing.

Jason 41:16

Did you keep up with your yeah, I d uh enough to know that I'm I'm fairly more mixed than I thought I was gonna be based on those.

Melanie 41:24

I'm more mixed. Um I did get uh it technically only three A's.

Jason 41:30

Right.

Melanie 41:31

Whereas I got one, two, three, four, five B's.

Jason 41:35

So three A's and five Bs, yeah.

Melanie 41:38

A little more on the B side than I am on the A side.

Jason 41:41

I would it and when I was because I was holding miles up, and y'all can't I mean you see this, but I was holding miles up to the microphone and all that, so I didn't actually write it down, but what I counted was the exact reverse.

Melanie 41:52

So three B's and five A's.

Jason 41:55

Right. So um That's funny.

Melanie 41:57

Yeah, but it makes sense.

Jason 41:59

Yeah, we have our own little bell curve here and it's a fun one. Of course we do. So but yeah.

Melanie 42:04

I mean, just the puzzle piece that fits into itself.

Jason 42:07

Right. So I mean, and you know, just and that could change over time too, you know? Yeah. And really it also depends on the task, I would think, as well. You know, sometimes it um what you want may change based on you know what you're trying to do in the interactivity and what you're tolerant over or not.

Melanie 42:28

So yeah, so you know, like a true magazine um, you know, did you choose this or that? So you actually have kind of a a breakdown of what it would be. If you did more A's, yeah, then you are gonna be more in your AI flow. So um a flow would be more like um you connect with AI, um fast and flexible is kind of more your style. Um, and you feel like it kind of keeps up with your your way of thinking and um it helps you move fast.

Jason 43:01

Right.

Melanie 43:01

Um whereas if you connected more with B, then you may be in a bit more of your AI overload. Um you might be more wired for structure or for clarity for something more of the, you know, what is the answer? Um AI can still help, but you know, you may get more out of um something that is more on your pace, and you can kind of narrow the focus based on your prompts to AI. Um, so you kind of have to lead AI more if you're in in more of an AI low overload, as opposed to letting kind of AI fly. Um if you're mixed, so you have both A's and Bs that uh match up. So it's about what, eight? So if you've got kind of four and four, if you will. Um, you kind of have both styles, so you're kind of relying on some structure, uh Which probably a lot more people are both um structure, but also really wanting those kind of uh lack of boundaries and and let's let's explore, but let's explore win within a parameter that that I would like to kind of use in my prompt just to make sure that you don't go too far.

Jason 44:19

And you know, I I could be completely wrong, but I would think someone that is maybe overloaded by it by knowing how to rein it in can actually minimize some of that frustration. So over time you would feel more mixed because you know when to simplify. Right. So um I mean those that just completely mostly flow with it, you know. Um I I can't help but think that maybe there may be times where like I did yesterday when I created probably a 45-page paper, you know, I probably should have handled that differently. And and I myself know I I was flowing, but now I created too much. Right. I probably should have created parameters halfway through, but I got excited because with everything, there was one more thing I want to know more about. And then I realized now like so you know, um and I realize that. And you know, but I asked for it, I got it. So, but I would probably would have approached that conversation completely differently.

Melanie 45:27

Right. I I usually know, okay, don't give me so much.

Jason 45:31

Right.

Melanie 45:31

Um I'm I'm sitting down, I've got you know 30 minutes to to go ahead and finish what I need to finish.

Jason 45:37

And knowing how much time you have to be so put into it is.

Melanie 45:40

I need this much information all at this time, you know. Definitely. No, no, you're right.

Jason 45:47

But that's really funny, yeah.

Melanie 45:48

That's usually based on just the fact that it's sometimes things have to be swift.

Jason 45:52

Right. And I think sometimes when we laugh about technology, we laugh about ourselves. You know, it's just you know, but yeah, so well, um be interesting to hear what y'all what y'all did and what y'all see if anybody took the test and I mean and what your experiences are. I mean, because we're only two people here that are using the tool, and we know others are.

Melanie 46:14

And um Do you have flow or do you have frying? Yeah, that's right.

Jason 46:17

So, but yeah, so I guess with all that said, we want to thank you all for the support and everything, and you know, sharing this podcast with others, and you know, is it's helpful to continue our reach, but for right now, unplug it for now.

Melanie 46:31

But always stay connected.